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Requests 1-173 were asked and answered back when there were only 25 books.
Also, some of the early questions were unintentionally truncated and cannot be restored. However, the answers are shown in their totality.
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| 165 | Dear Master Fogaban:
Greetings Master I hope this note finds you and yours well. Once more I turn to you when I cannot find the information anywhere else.
If you will permit, I would like to make a request for help on a position. The posit
Answer
Hello girl,
Since you were respectful and polite in your request, I decided to allow you some of my time.
You are correct, there is no "position" referred to as "table". Yes, there are several references to a girl being chained UNDER a table, but there is no reference to a girl being ordered to assume a position on all fours and used AS a table.
Here are a few references to a girl being chained under a table:
I could compete for favor, and attention, and gifts, such as bit of food thrown to me where I was chained beneath a table, as we sometimes were in training, while the guards feasted, or the rough caress of a male hand, such things.
Witness of Gor - Page 120
Sometimes we must lie to one side, or even under the table, chained hand and foot, waiting to see who would be victorious, to whom we would be awarded for the evening.
Witness of Gor - Page 579
I forced her down on her knees, under the table. I put her over the ring, in the midst of the chains. I clasped the ankle rings about her ankles, locking them. I thrust the short, attached chain, attached to the ankle-ring chain at one end, and the wrist-ring chain at the other, and the wrist rings, on their short chain, between her legs and through the sturdy floor ring. I then, close to the floor, locked her wrists snugly into the wrist rings. She was now held helplessly in place beneath the table. "In such a fashion," I told her, "the men of Torvaldsland sometimes secure their bond-maids. Thus they have them at hand and may use them, to some extent, to please them under the table. In this fashion, similarly, it is easy to feed them by hand and throw them scraps of meat. It is a useful arrangement in their training and, too, even a skilled, experienced girl, even one who is highly esteemed, is sometimes confined so, when it pleases the master to do so."
Her eyes were glazed. Her hair was down before her face. She pulled at the chains, weakly.
"But perhaps you are not interested in the lore of Torvaldsland," I said.
"What you did to me," she said.
"Perhaps you are hungry," I said.
She looked at me, angrily. She moved her head to the side, trying to free her face of hair. I took her hair and, arranging it, put it back over her shoulders. "You are quite beautiful in chains," I said. "Perhaps you should be a slave."
She did not respond.
"You look well chained under a table," I said.
Players of Gor Book 20 Page 115 - 116
And here are a few references to a girl being ordered to all fours:
"Drop to your hands and knees, to all fours, and turn away from me," I said.
Guardsman of Gor Book 16 Page 220
"Slip from the chair now," he said, "and go to all fours, and then, in this fashion, crawl ten feet away, and then turn and, in this fashion, face me."
Kajira of Gor Book 19 Page 337
"On all fours," he said.
I went to all fours before him.
Dancer of Gor Book 22 Page 44
"On all fours," I said to Klio.
Immediately she went to all fours.
Renegades of Gor Book 23 Page 177
"To all fours," said her keeper.
Immediately she went to all fours.
Magicians of Gor Book 25 Page 230
Finally, I actually thought there was an instance where a girl was used as a table but in doing this search I could not find it. While, obviously, a girl can be ordered to assume any position, for any reason, this does not necessarily make that "position" one to be posted on a website as something for salves to learn.
I could command you to stand in a corner while holding out one arm. I could then hang my cloak upon your arm and use you as a coat rack. But in no way would my command to you become an official position of Coat Rack and therefore something to be learned by every girl professing to a Gorean slave.
People spend a lot of time combing the books for any small inference to anything which might be called a position. A good example is Stand. I have seen Stand cited as a slave position. It's almost as ridiculous and Love Bow. As if, some Gorean master once stated in a passage, a command for a girl to stand - and now that is a valid "position".
In reality, websites positions become a "ruler" or "yardstick" by which one girl can measure herself against another girl. In other words, "I know more positions than you do so I'm a better slave than you are!"
Since there are, in fact, a very limited number of ACTUAL slave positions outlined in the books, now girls (and yes, so-called masters too) feel the need to ADD positions, so they (or their girl) can STILL be better than the next girl.
It's really a sad state of affairs, what the online world has come to. If a girl (not you directly) just spent her time learning to be pleasing to men - and those who would be men, just spent time enjoying slaves as it pleased them - instead of the ludicrous pursuit of trying to impress others, life would be much easier.
*chuckles*
Ok, perhaps I have rambled long enough. But, perhaps, some of this has answered your question.
I wish you well,
Fogaban
Dear Master Fogaban: Thank you, you have given me more than I hoped for. Reading your note I was ovewhelmed with gratitude for your time and effort. To me it is not so much knowing more but having the facts about what is made up and what is true. Perpetuating false information is unacceptable. So I am a lil anal, hehe. And your right, too many women dress/act/think for each other not the free.
Heh, I could go on but I am mobile and have taken enough of your time. Wishing you most well, kandy
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