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Greetings, good sir.
A couple of questions I have been mulling on. Is there a code or a type of mutual understanding or law between free-men on how one uses anthers slave or to see one's persimmon if he is present? For example, A free man is sitting in a tavern with his own slaves or in public with his slaves, can another free man take hold of his slaves or command them to serve him? Without asking their Master to use his property. Was there etiquette or decorum about such things?
Secondly is there anywhere in the books that mentions slaves or fighting slaves, or any type of slaves fighting in war? For example I have heard people speaking about everyone in Port Kar coming out in the defense of it.
And did Cos use slaves to fight in the Cos vs Ar wars?
Thank your for your time.
Kind Regards
Caits.

Answer
Greetings Caits,

I have broken your question into three parts

Is there a code or a type of mutual understanding or law between free-men on how one uses anthers slave or to see one's persimmon if he is present?
For example, A free man is sitting in a tavern with his own slaves or in public with his slaves, can another free man take hold of his slaves or command them to serve him? Without asking their Master to use his property. Was there etiquette or decorum about such things?

With no real key words to use in a search for the negative . . . meaning when did this not happen . . . it is difficult to answer your question.

However I can offer several instances of just the opposite of your example.

This quote really cuts right to the quick answer.
Gorean masters, despite professions to the contrary, tend to be covetous, possessive, and jealous where their slaves are concerned. They want them all to themselves, even to the sword and knife.
Plunder of Gor     Book 34     Page 518

Next is when a stranger attempts to take a girl from Tarl.

"I like this girl," said the warrior. "Yield her to me!"

"No," I said.

"Yield her or I will have my tharlarion trample you," he snapped, "or would you prefer to be spitted on my lance?"

"You know the codes," I said evenly. "If you want her, you must challenge for her and meet me with the weapon of my choice."

The warrior's face clouded, but only for an instant. He threw back his fine head and laughed, his teeth white in his bushy beard.

"Done!" he cried, fastening his lance in its saddle sheath and slipping from the back of the tharlarion. "I challenge you for her!"

"The sword," I said.

"Agreed," he said.
Tarnsman of Gor     Book 1     Page 117


And then the example of a girl who is taken from two others, but not without a fight.
This is detailed in the beginning of Slave Girl of Gor but encompasses too many pages to quote here.


There is also the exact opposite of your example, where a girl is offered to a guest. At least three of which I show below.
In a large house, with various slave girls, it is thought only an act of courtesy on the part of a host to permit a guest the use of one of the girls for the evening. Each of the girls considered eligible for this service, at one time or another during the evening, will approach the guest and offer him wine. His choice is indicated by the one from whom he accepts wine.
Assassin of Gor     Book 5     Page 89


I did not wish to be sold until we reached Ar. I wished to be sold from the great block of the Curulean Auction House. It was in that place that there were to be found the highest placed, richest buyers of Gor. It was my hope to become the preferred pleasure slave of a wealthy master, and to reside in one of the high towers of Ar, Gor's largest and most luxurious city, and to have silks and jewels wherewith to deck myself, and no work to do, saving perhaps pleasing my master or guests to whom he might, if he pleased, give me for the evening.
Captive of Gor     Book 7     Page 194


I made it a point, as was proper, not to meet the eyes of the guest, and I made certain I poured his wine no differently than I had the wine of the others. This manner of serving is common. The girl does not know, of course, whether or not she will be made available to the guest. That is at the discretion of the master. If a guest is to stay overnight in a large house, he is almost certain to be offered a slave for the night, of which convenience he is expected to avail himself. At an inn, of course, there is a charge for the slave, as for the food, as for the bed, or mat. In a small house an overnight guest may, as a gesture of courtesy or hospitality, be offered the use of a slave, but he will commonly, while expressing his appreciation of his host's generosity, politely decline to accept the offer. This is less because he might have his own slave, or slaves, in attendance, and more because he is well aware that the master's offer is likely to be little more than an exercise in etiquette, a mere concession to social proprieties. Many Gorean masters, of a single slave, or a small number of slaves, prefer to reserve the pleasures of their properties to themselves. It is my impression that many Gorean masters, despite professions to the contrary, tend to be covetous, possessive, and jealous where their slaves are concerned. They want them all to themselves, even to the sword and knife. Perhaps this is selfish, perhaps it is something else altogether. Few free women comprehend how much a slave may be desired, how much she may be wanted. Strange how a fine, strong man can be so fond of a mere collared animal. How they want to keep their collars on them! How they want to own them! What joy is theirs, having their slave at their feet! But even were Drusus Andronicus staying the night, I suspected my master might not offer me to him, even were this to constitute an obvious infringement of the canons of hospitality. To be sure, if I were offered to a guest, and the guest accepted the offer, or if I were ordered to serve a guest, I would have to obey. I must do so. I was marked and collared. I was a slave.
Plunder of Gor     Book 34     Pages 517 - 518






Secondly is there anywhere in the books that mentions slaves or fighting slaves, or any type of slaves fighting in war?
For example I have heard people speaking about everyone in Port Kar coming out in the defense of it.

To answer this question I offer this example of slaves participating in the defense of Bosk's keep in Port Kar.

I caught sight of the boy, Fish, running past, a spear held over his head in both hands, and heard a horrible cry, long and wailing, ending with the abrupt striking of a body far below on the stones.

"Keep more from coming!" I cried to my men.

They rushed to the walls.

Within the parapets we fought those who had scaled the walls.

I saw one invader climbing down the ladder to the lower levels.

Then he cried out and slipped to the level beneath, his hands off the rungs.

I saw Telima's head in the opening. In her teeth was the dagger I had seen. In her right hand, bloody, was the admiral's sword I had discarded.

"Go back!" I cried to her.

I saw Luma and Vina climbing up behind her. They picked up stones from the roof of the keep, and ran to the walls, to hurl them at point-blank range against the men climbing.

Telima, wildly, her two hands on the sword, struck a man from behind in the neck and he fell away from the blade. Then she had lost the blade, as an invader struck it from her hand. He raised his own to strike her but I had my steel beneath his left shoulder blade and had turned again before he could deliver his blow.

I saw a man on the parapet fall screaming backward, struck by a rock as large as his head, hurled from the small hands of Luma. Vina, with a shield, whose weight she could hardly bear, was trying to cover the boy, Fish, as he fought. I saw him drop his man, and turn, seeking another.
Raiders of Gor     Book 6     Page 297






And did Cos use slaves to fight in the Cos vs Ar wars?

Again, it is almost impossible to prove a negative.

I know you asked about the Cos versus Ar war, but to try and show as complete a picture as possible, I will say that yes, slaves have been used in warfare.
However, not as troops, but as siege slaves.
Some hundreds of yards from the wall, just beyond crossbow range, a gigantic ditch was being dug by thousands of siege slaves and prisoners.
Tarnsman of Gor     Book 1     Page 163


Within the towers, sweating, naked siege slaves, under the frenzied whips of their overseers, hauled on the great chains that swung the mighty steel rams into the wall and back.
Tarnsman of Gor     Book 1     Page 178


Pa-Kur, for his part, demanded and was granted the usual savage fees imposed by the Gorean conqueror. The population would be completely disarmed. Possession of a weapon would be regarded as a capital offense. Officers in the Warrior Caste and their families were to be impaled, and in the population at large every tenth man would be executed. The thousand most beautiful women of Ar would be given as pleasure slaves to Pa-Kur, for distribution among his highest officers. Of the other free women, the healthiest and most attractive thirty percent would be auctioned to his troops in the Street of Brands, the proceeds going to the coffers of Pa-Kur. A levy of seven thousand young men would be taken to fill the depleted ranks of his siege slaves.
Tarnsman of Gor     Book 1     Pages 188 - 189


Later on, it is brought out how this use of slaves had changed.
Goreans generally do not employ slaves for such labors as road construction, siege works, raising walls, and so on.
Dancer of Gor     Book 22     Page 301


This quote goes on to mention how in emergencies, these labors might be conscripted or drafted. But even then, this does not mean the men were enslaved.
Similarly they generally would not use them for the construction of temples and public buildings. Most such work is generally done by the free labor of a given community, though this "free labor" may, upon occasion, particularly in emergencies, be "levied," the laborers then contributing their labor as a form of special tax, or, if you like, "conscripted" or "drafted," rather as if for military service.
Dancer of Gor     Book 22     Page 301


Ultimately I would have to say that, no, slaves were not used to fight in the Cos versus Ar war or any other war for that matter.


I wish you well,
Fogaban




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